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hello and welcome to episode number 69

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always

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i am your host exo academian

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over the course of the history of this

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podcast i have taken several

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opportunities to publish a special

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edition of the podcast where i answer

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audience questions in a feature i call

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the inquiring mind

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this week's episode marks the occasion

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where i do this for a fourth time

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now since the third edition of the

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inquiring mind feature which launched

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several months ago you could say a few

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things have changed perhaps the most

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significant change came recently

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when i posted an actual photo of myself

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to social media platforms like twitter

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and facebook

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i followed that up this past week with

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my first two video interviews

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first for james ian doley's engaging the

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phenomenon podcast and youtube channel

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and then for kelly chase's the ufo

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rabbit hole youtube channel

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there are other interviews scheduled in

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the near future as well which i will let

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people know about as they become

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available

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part of the interest that has arisen

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lately relates to an event i attended at

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the monroe institute back at the end of

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may

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titled ufos and the consciousness

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connection regular listeners to the

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podcast may recall that i discussed

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events from that multi-day retreat in

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episode 67 which was titled human

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initiated contact on proactive

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communication with non-human

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intelligence

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that event marked a new season in my

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history as a researcher of the ufo

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phenomenon and its intersection with

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other topics of interest such as

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experiences and psy phenomena like

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telepathy psychokinesis and precognition

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this new season involves me doing actual

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field research where i travel to various

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locations to join with others in

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actively exploring these various points

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of convergence as it turns out at the

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time of the launch of this podcast

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episode i will be away for a second time

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doing active field research

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the fruit of that experience i hope to

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report on in future episodes of this

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podcast

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these new opportunities to connect with

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various players in this field including

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both leading researchers and individuals

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joseph burks has deemed prime contactees

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is yet another of the many profound

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opportunities that have arisen since i

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first started this podcast some 18

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it goes without saying that i really had

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no idea then the many avenues this

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profound path of discovery would open up

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before me

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here's to that journey of adventure and

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fascination as it continues to manifest

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in each of our lives

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but for now without further ado let's

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get back to the matter at hand which has

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to do with me answering more of the

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thoughtful and thought-provoking

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questions that you the audience have

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sent in for this latest edition of the

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inquiring mind feature in this the 69th

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episode of the point of convergence

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all right let's jump right into the

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questions the first question sent in is

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worded as follows

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there are many theories about why cattle

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mutilations occur which theory do you

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personally lean towards and why thank

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well this is a controversial one of

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course many people who look at the ufo

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phenomenon and want to see only love and

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light will look at this matter and be

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concerned or perhaps explain it away as

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only a military exercise or something

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i think the cattle mutilation phenomenon

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has been happening for a very long time

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could actually do this so while we could

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with our cutting edge technology no pun

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200 years ago or something we couldn't

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have done it to this degree of precision

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the kind of precise incisions that are

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made before these carcasses are then

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left on the ground so that to me

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suggests that this is technology beyond

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humans because the humans of the time

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the conventional humans of society at

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the time certainly couldn't do this

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i think it's very likely that some group

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of the ufo phenomenon is responsible

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offer as a disclaimer while i

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conveniently refer to this as the ufo

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phenomenon it is not one single thing it

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is not one monolithic endeavor i think

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that this phenomenon likely is composed

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of many many different actors likely

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arising from different origin sources

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and i don't think it's all love and

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light nor do i think it's all demons and

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darkness i think we have a vast array of

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different others here and we see an

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across-the-board spectrum in terms of

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self-centered or more communally

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oriented and what have you so what i'm

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getting at here is i would caution

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people towards not tending towards

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grouping everything in one category

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don't assume all of these others are our

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our technological superiors but not

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necessarily our moral superiors and vice

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a spectrum and i think that's what the

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data actually shows and where i think

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data and try to draw from it an agenda a

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narrative around one group of others

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looks contradictory but i think the

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contradictions underlyingly arise from

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different patterns in the data that only

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become confusing and paradoxical largely

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when we try to draw from it one

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narrative one agenda one group of others

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now as to why this one particular group

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are they doing this as a part of some

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scientific expedition the same way that

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we might cut up a frog like we did in

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perhaps i don't know the degree of

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precision certainly lends towards that

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kind of interpretation for me anyway

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it's not just this crass butchering that

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camera footage has shown suddenly cattle

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being there and suddenly not being there

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see just the carcass the highly

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precision sliced up carcass and this

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suggests they can actually manipulate

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space-time either that or they actually

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are just manipulating our camera

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equipment

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that what seems more likely is that they

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literally can freeze local space time as

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narratives around this entire ufo

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something is just there and not there

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we can't make sense of that but as

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jacques valley famously said what the

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ufo phenomenon demonstrates is that we

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really don't understand space-time at

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is worded as follows

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what is your opinion on manifesting our

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reality via conscious practice and

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thought-provoking it is and perhaps this

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tending towards an idea like idealism to

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explain reality that that's a more

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powerful explanatory mechanism in my

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mind than something like physicalism as

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recent interviews when we look at things

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explain how consciousness arises at all

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psychokinesis and we look of course at

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the ufo phenomenon and all of the high

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strangeness and paranormality that seems

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what that lends me towards is a notion

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like idealism to explain reality itself

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that only a completely different model

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of reality that more resembles something

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like idealism would explain all of this

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that physicalism fails time and time

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again even when you take the ufo

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phenomenon and high strangeness out of

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it altogether i think the implications

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arising from quantum theory and the hard

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problem of consciousness itself just

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those alone make it clear that

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physicalism is not a tenable model

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but does that mean that we can shape our

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reality through conscious intention if

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it's really a dreamscape in a way

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between something called solipsism and

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self can know nothing but its own

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modifications and that the self is the

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said differently quote solipsism is

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sometimes expressed as the view that i

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mental states are the only mental states

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mentioned that when we had the contact

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experience at monroe

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i felt like somehow we were connected to

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that other intelligence up there

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whatever they are

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meant that i was leaning towards

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solipsism that that was just a

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reflection of my own consciousness in

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any of various systems of thought in

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which the objects of knowledge are held

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to be in some way dependent on the

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activity of mind now the key point here

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is this doesn't mean human mind it just

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means mind in general mind at large that

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you could say god's mind or the cosmic

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intelligence mind but that everything

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ultimately that even appears physical to

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us is ultimately mind stuff and here i

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would point to what i've learned through

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my lucid dreaming experiences that in

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those experiences everything feels just

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as physical in that state as our waking

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experience does but of course no one

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would say to me that it's actually

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physical they would say my mind is

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generating all of that phenomena

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well in the same way what we're saying

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here is that

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idealism suggests that all of the

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physical world that we interact with

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even when we fall and cut our leg it's

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still ultimately a mind experience and

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that the phenomena such as material

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matter is actually an epiphenomenon of

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mind stuff of mind at large

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and very specifically i leaned towards a

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notion called analytic idealism which

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was postulated by philosopher and

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computer scientist bernardo castro who's

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been a major influence on me

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and here's a quick snippet describing

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his overarching thesis

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quote this thesis articulates an

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analytic version of the ontology of

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idealism according to which universal

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phenomenal consciousness is all there

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ultimately is

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everything else in nature being

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reducible to patterns of excitation of

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this consciousness

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the core idea of this thesis can be

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summarized thus

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we as well as all living organisms are

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disassociated alters of universal

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phenomenal consciousness

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unquote in other words what he's saying

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here is that in the same way that

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someone with disassociated personality

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disorder can actually have multiple

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subjective experiences of the world

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within one mind

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in the same way castropur suggesting

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that all of us are basically

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disassociations of the one universal

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mind god's mind or the mind of the

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cosmic intelligence or the very mind of

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reality itself because ultimately you

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could suggest from a non-dual

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perspective

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all there is is consciousness and we in

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each of our individual experiences as

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little eyes little selves are actually

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just little cells of this one

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overarching consciousness and that

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partly explains among other things why

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we can have experiences with telepathy

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and whatnot and understand each other's

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thoughts and how alien beings can

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perhaps interact with us and know our

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thoughts and sometimes seem to be inside

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our heads because ultimately the

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boundaries between ourselves are porous

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that we ultimately are part of the same

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bedrock of reality which is ultimately

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composed of consciousness this explains

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a lot the more and more you look into it

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and consider this as an overarching

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model of reality itself

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with that preamble aside let's get back

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to this central question

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can we with conscious intention change

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our reality or as this person put it can

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we manifest our reality via conscious

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practice and application

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what i would say here is again we want

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to focus on the difference between mind

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at large and our individual mind we are

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still

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within this mind at large that's why we

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all might look in a room and see the

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same objects in a room they're not

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ultimately objects it's still mind stuff

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like we're sharing the same dreamscape

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that we're meeting up in this one dream

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room but it's the mind at large

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consciousness or the mind of god that is

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manifesting all of that what we're

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seeing and we have to remember that

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we're still one unit within that larger

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consciousness so we can't just

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unilaterally change things i'm sure

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you've tried this there might be things

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you wish were different in your life but

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just wishing it so doesn't make it so

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that said many of us have experienced

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synchronicity where if we align with

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some larger sense of a move happening

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within consciousness when we align

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ourselves with the flow of the river

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where it feels like we are

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aligning ourselves with the intention of

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something larger than us perhaps from

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mind at large or some larger ecosystem

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of minds we find sometimes that reality

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seems to follow suit i would say that's

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partly what synchronicity is or that

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synchronicity is what it looks like to

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us when we experience this

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again we are part of a larger

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consciousness field and it is that which

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wills reality you might say

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and because we too are part of that

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larger stream of consciousness we can

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learn to discern impulses that are

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arising from there from the larger field

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rather than from our own small ego

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which in some ways acts more like a

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cancer cell in a body if and when it

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only cares about its own benefit

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regardless of how that activity would

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affect the overall body of which it is

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apart

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but once we learn to discern impulses

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arising from that larger stream of

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consciousness coming from mind at large

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then when we try to manifest certain

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future realities we often find that it

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does work the reality moves before us in

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a way to make this happen but the key is

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that it's because our motivation has

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arisen from that overarching stream of

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consciousness or mind at large that's

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what i would say in general to that

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question and i know that was quite the

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rabbit trail but that's where i have to

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go to feel like i'm answering that

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question adequately

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all right on to our next question which

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is worded as follows

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how could

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should one choose between modalities

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if you wanted to make contact

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example heist meditation driven slash

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psychedelics slash astral travel

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ce5

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is there a way of increasing the chances

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of the type of contact initiated or the

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type of entity being contacted

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how could one guard against being given

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or taken in misleading messianic

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messages i note keel and to a lesser

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extent valet who highlight the

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propensity for trickster-ish or absurd

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themes to creep into contact

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communications there would appear to be

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very mixed results with regard to the

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long-term impact on those confessing to

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repeated contact

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okay great question and several aspects

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to it

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first thing i would say here the person

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in the question kind of distinguished

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heist in c5 i would say largely they are

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the same thing they're basically

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identical protocols the difference is

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really in name only and relates to

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trying to distance the protocols

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themselves which are employable by

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anyone anywhere without cost

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from the cult of personality that has

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built up around someone like stephen

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greer specifically because so much of c5

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is tainted in the public for some people

469
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anyway because of stephen greer's more

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recent actions

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heist has emerged as a conception put

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forward by joseph burks

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to offer a different name that we can

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gather around that at the end of the day

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is still about the same protocols

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meditation driven intention driven

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it's about preparing ourselves and then

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reaching out to make proactive contact

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with a certain group of others we are

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reaching out with our intention which is

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positive benevolent to meet with others

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who also have a positive benevolent

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communal kind of thinking or being

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that's what's key to high slash ce5

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now as i've mentioned on a couple recent

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interviews

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relating to your question about how we

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can control which ones we actually make

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contact with

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i think the evidence suggests that high

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slash ce5

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results the vast majority of the time in

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having positive contact with benevolent

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entities in other words it's not like

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you're just picking up the phone and

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hitting speed dial not knowing who

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you're going to get on the other end or

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that you have the wheel of fortune and

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you're just spinning it and you might

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hit bankrupt and you might hit the

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jackpot

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rather

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these protocols themselves and the

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intention we bring the energy we bring

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is like calling a certain number which

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tends to be picked up on the other end

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by a certain group resonating at that

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same kind of frequency now i know some

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people are going to resist that kind of

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language because it sounds too woo it

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sounds too new age but at the end of the

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day

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reality is such that these vibrations

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these frequencies these resonant fields

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really do matter they have much to do

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with what actually happens in our own

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lives for instance and i'm saying it's

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the same thing here when we set a

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certain resonant field then we tend to

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make contact with others that overlap

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with that resonant field i think that's

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why c5 and heist so often results in

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positive encounters and as i've said

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elsewhere in the couple occasions where

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i'm aware of negative interactions

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arising because of these protocols i

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think they were mitigating circumstances

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and by that i'm not just guessing i know

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about specific cases where there were

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other issues going on coming into those

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events and i think those other issues

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ended up impacting the nature of the

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protocols themselves so in other words

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you weren't really dialing that number

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because of the energy that was actually

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brought so you have to look beyond that

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superficial level

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now getting to some of the other

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protocols or the other means of contact

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now when we think about psychedelics uh

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terence mckenna famously said

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psychedelics are a guaranteed way to

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have a supranormal experience

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some of those experiences include making

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contact with seemingly alien or

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non-human intelligence

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with psilocybin that encounters more

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with something that feels like it's

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otherworldly some overarching sense of

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interacting with something else whether

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it's a deeper sense of you

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your future self a more overarching self

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that we're not usually in contact with

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or if you're actually contacting some

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alien intelligence i don't know it may

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be that the spores themselves represent

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a gateway to contact with another kind

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of intelligence and as i mentioned i

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think on a liminal frames episode

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that would make sense if you want to see

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the universe with the possibility to

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make contact then spores would be a

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great way to do it because you could

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spread it around the universe on meteors

565
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,360
and whatnot and then when the local

566
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:13,360
indigenous population evolved to the

567
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,960
point where they actually consumed those

568
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,039
spores that had become mushrooms and

569
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,200
whatnot at that point then that would

570
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,000
facilitate an interaction with this

571
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:23,679
intelligence that had been spread across

572
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:26,720
the cosmos that was pre-existing that

573
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,400
might be what's going on with psilocybin

574
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,960
now with dmt it's very common to make

575
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,640
contact with beings such as those

576
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,360
described as the machine elves

577
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,880
especially once you're at a sufficiently

578
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,159
high dose

579
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,720
this is almost a guaranteed means of

580
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,200
contact but of course it's also illegal

581
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,360
in many places that will eventually

582
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,039
change of course but take that into

583
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,440
consideration

584
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,760
now another option is astral travel this

585
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,840
is also a known means of communication

586
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,159
and contact as well as well as a great

587
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,240
way to experience yourself outside of

588
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,159
your physical body outside the

589
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,880
constraints of the executive ego

590
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,480
but i will say the cases i'm most

591
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,159
familiar with involved people who had

592
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,039
already been contacted by alien others

593
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,440
for instance i covered a case several

594
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,200
episodes ago going back several months

595
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:17,919
now where someone actually made contact

596
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,880
via astral projection but to be clear

597
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,720
that individual had already had

598
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,280
interaction with alien others the graves

599
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:27,840
and whatnot had originally contacted him

600
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,640
abducted he and his son actually later

601
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,799
he was able to reach out and contact

602
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,799
them through astral travel but that

603
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,799
happened afterwards so i'm not saying

604
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,400
it's not possible to do this as an

605
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,480
initiatory kind of experience

606
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:42,799
i've even had one of my own one time

607
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,600
but it's less clear and it's not as much

608
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,440
of a well-worn path as some of these

609
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,440
other protocols

610
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,280
but nevertheless i highly recommend this

611
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,280
practice for the expansion of your own

612
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,720
consciousness

613
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,559
now in regards to the second part of the

614
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,320
question how could one guard against

615
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:00,880
being given or taking in misleading

616
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,679
example messianic messages

617
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,919
i would say there very basically you

618
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,400
would judge by the fruit in other words

619
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,000
if you feel like the information that's

620
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,400
been given actually leads to positive

621
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,280
outcomes then take it more seriously

622
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,600
if it feels like negative outcomes are

623
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,760
the result then don't take it seriously

624
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,159
or question the motives of the

625
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,000
intelligences that supposedly gave you

626
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,960
the information are there other agendas

627
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,960
in play for instance and if you

628
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,520
sometimes have a bit of both and like

629
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,080
the trickster phenomena that john keel

630
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,120
so famously wrote about will then just

631
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,720
chalk it up to possibly being

632
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,960
interacting with some sort of trickster

633
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,360
whose ultimate aims we do not seem to be

634
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,120
able to discern

635
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,880
if there are any aims of a specific

636
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,360
nature at all sometimes it just seems to

637
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,600
frustrate us although some would argue

638
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,919
even there that the overarching purpose

639
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,440
of the trickster

640
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:56,799
is arising from something like the

641
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,279
collective unconscious to try to get us

642
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,279
to change the nature of the way we see

643
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,240
reality itself that it's deliberately

644
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,480
confounding our attempts to understand

645
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,320
and to make headway because we are

646
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,480
somehow missing something and that this

647
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,720
arises from the collective unconscious

648
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,799
to set us on the right course even

649
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,559
though it's frustrating in the short

650
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,360
term

651
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,440
all right on to the next question which

652
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,000
is worded as follows

653
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,760
it seems that over time you've been

654
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,320
granted access or come across footage

655
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,720
and or information that perhaps goes

656
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,200
beyond what the general public has seen

657
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,520
if that's the case what's the craziest

658
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,440
most startling or most compelling

659
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,120
footage you've seen

660
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,080
pertaining to the ufo phenomenon

661
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,320
thank you for the question

662
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,559
well as it turns out there are a few

663
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,440
video clips and or photos that i've seen

664
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,240
that do fit this bill i would say

665
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,080
the first one that comes to mind which i

666
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,919
saw earlier this year

667
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,000
was footage of what appears to be what

668
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,720
we commonly refer to as a light being

669
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,320
this is a being that basically looks

670
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,960
humanoid but is lit up like a light bulb

671
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:06,159
basically

672
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,440
and what's fascinating with this

673
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,360
particular footage i saw

674
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,919
which was shot down in patagonia region

675
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,679
in south america

676
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,919
is that this particular light being was

677
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,960
shot from across a lake from a boat

678
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,080
and it was in broad daylight and this

679
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,679
light being appeared to be walking

680
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,000
through the edge of a forest

681
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,080
off of the shore of this lake and the

682
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,720
footage was shot from this boat

683
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,880
so it was quite fascinating because

684
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:34,640
again often when we think of light

685
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,840
beings we think about ufos and entities

686
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,640
people see at night against this stark

687
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,200
dark background this was in broad

688
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,600
daylight and even in broad daylight you

689
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,520
could see this thing lit up like a bulb

690
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,279
this humanoid creature

691
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,400
being walking through the forest from

692
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,080
the perspective of this boat that was

693
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,320
going along the lake so that was really

694
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,640
really fascinating and shocking footage

695
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,640
honestly that i had not seen anything

696
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,039
the like before

697
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:04,880
the second bit of footage that comes to

698
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,760
mind was taken in a similar location in

699
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:10,240
south america and it involves what is

700
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,279
clearly

701
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,919
a ufo a craft and this footage is

702
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,760
actually taken at night and what's

703
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,440
fascinating is that this stationary

704
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,679
craft hovering above the ground

705
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:22,159
taken from the perspective of a security

706
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,200
camera

707
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,279
actually seems to change shape you can

708
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,080
see it literally change shape live on

709
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,320
the footage and then it shoots up into

710
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,840
the sky so you basically have what's

711
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,679
called instantaneous acceleration at

712
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,960
that point

713
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,480
i don't know how to explain that through

714
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,720
prosaic means again you have something

715
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:41,120
that's stationary it's not blurry it's

716
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,559
not the greatest footage it's not

717
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,960
crystal clear hd footage it's from a

718
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,480
security camera

719
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,360
nevertheless it's very clearly an object

720
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,000
above the ground that changes shape and

721
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,679
then shoots up into the sky

722
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:56,240
instantaneously so that also was footage

723
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,520
that was very very compelling

724
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,200
the third bit of footage that comes to

725
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,600
mind that is also compelling equally so

726
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,279
equally startling

727
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,799
was of a

728
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,960
craft that was moving against a mountain

729
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,480
range i'm not going to say where it was

730
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,640
because again this is not public yet but

731
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,080
it was a mountain range somewhere in

732
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,080
north america i'll say that and this

733
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,679
craft was moving in front of this

734
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,360
mountain range so not that high off the

735
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,559
ground maybe 100 200 feet off the ground

736
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,480
moving in front of this mountain range

737
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,320
in broad daylight again i would say this

738
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,000
is not night footage and it's pretty

739
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,000
high quality footage and you can see

740
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,559
this craft or object or whatever it is

741
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,880
moving strangely and it definitely seems

742
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,159
solid it doesn't look like it's just

743
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,000
some trick of light it looks like a

744
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,559
solid object that's moving strangely in

745
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,640
front of this mountain range and what's

746
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:45,600
most startling is that it then proceeds

747
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,640
to fly straight into the mountain

748
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,799
and when i say into the mountain you one

749
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,320
second you see it there and the next

750
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,799
second you don't it seems to disappear

751
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,799
into the mountain you don't see any kind

752
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,520
of impact there's no smoke there's no

753
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,480
collision no signs of collision it just

754
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,320
seems to disappear straight into the

755
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,440
mountain

756
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,360
of course that's very very fascinating

757
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,440
very very startling and we of course

758
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,760
have nothing prosaic that would explain

759
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,640
that

760
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,880
and here i bring up the notion of trans

761
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,960
medium vehicles which we've heard about

762
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,960
now often when we think of trans medium

763
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,520
vehicles we think of vehicles that can

764
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,320
fly into space perhaps and then into our

765
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,559
atmosphere but then also can go into our

766
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,360
oceans and we're amazed when these craft

767
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,000
can at high speeds fly straight into the

768
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,640
ocean and seemingly not leave any wake

769
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,919
they just seem to go straight into the

770
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,080
water and not even leave a splash

771
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,320
sometimes and then they often are

772
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,279
spotted or actually filmed or cataloged

773
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:45,760
moving through the water at basically

774
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,559
supersonic speeds which again we can't

775
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:49,760
do

776
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,039
also means that some of these objects

777
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,600
some of these vehicles can fly straight

778
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,600
into solid objects

779
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:01,440
so perhaps they're phasing into some

780
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,480
other

781
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,799
form of matter at that point or perhaps

782
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,640
again they're doing something with space

783
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:08,399
time that we just don't understand at

784
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,120
all

785
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,840
again from an idealistic point of view

786
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,200
getting back to that metaphysical

787
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,039
conception of reality

788
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,960
matter isn't ultimately real so what

789
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,039
they're maybe doing there is

790
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,600
manipulating the consciousness stuff

791
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:23,520
that's necessary to manipulate in order

792
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,360
to do what appears to us like a physical

793
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,159
object flying straight into a large

794
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,720
physical structure like a mountain

795
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,960
and do so seamlessly

796
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,120
of course we know grey aliens and all

797
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,760
sorts of other types reptilians and

798
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,080
whatnot can walk straight through walls

799
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,440
and they can take people straight

800
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,440
through walls so again we already know

801
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,799
that this kind of

802
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,880
movement through solid objects is a

803
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,960
breeze for some of these others so we

804
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,799
shouldn't therefore be surprised that

805
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,279
that's also the case for the craft but

806
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,720
it was quite a thing for me to see this

807
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,880
footage where you see it happen in broad

808
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,039
daylight a craft flies straight into a

809
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,000
mountain and it's gone

810
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,840
all right we have time for one final

811
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,880
question which is worded as follows

812
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,279
hi xo i'm curious what your perspective

813
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,080
is on my labs slash military alien

814
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:16,399
cooperation and the hybridization

815
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,360
program

816
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,360
to me this sometimes sounds like science

817
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,760
fiction or is there some validity what

818
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,320
are your thoughts

819
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,799
okay well i'd begin by saying initially

820
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,960
i probably agreed with you i used to

821
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,880
look at this more like a science fiction

822
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,240
kind of notion

823
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:34,320
it seemed like a stretch to me

824
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:35,600
that there could be this kind of

825
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,799
military alien cooperation going on

826
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,600
and us not know about it it just seemed

827
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,320
like too big an operation to fly under

828
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,720
the radar in fact that's often the

829
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,480
argument that people would put forward

830
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,559
for any kind of large-scale cover-up

831
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,960
over time because it's just very hard to

832
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,360
keep things that are secret secret for

833
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,120
very long and the more people that are

834
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,519
involved the harder it is to do

835
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,679
and often government is actually not all

836
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,159
that efficient and these secrets become

837
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,240
difficult to keep

838
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,480
also when people used to talk about my

839
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,720
labs more as just a military operation

840
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,279
like a psyop where they're basically

841
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,679
faking an alien abduction and then doing

842
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,919
other things to human beings while i

843
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,080
think that possibly and probably has

844
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,320
happened i didn't think it could be at

845
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,399
the same level as an actual alien

846
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,960
abduction and wouldn't confuse that many

847
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,360
people so even if the kinds that it's a

848
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,679
military operation faking an alien

849
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,760
abduction in order to do something else

850
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,880
to people

851
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:37,039
i think that would be a small portion of

852
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,559
the totality in other words that would

853
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,000
be a very small

854
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,159
portion of the entire collection of

855
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,880
abduction stories we know exist in the

856
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,519
literature left right and center

857
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,960
so in other words i wouldn't want people

858
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,440
to just dismiss the entire thing as some

859
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,519
rogue operations done by some military

860
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,440
types and that the abduction phenomenon

861
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,720
doesn't exist

862
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,200
the abduction phenomenon does exist and

863
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,240
it is being done by some alien others

864
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,480
even though my contention would be that

865
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,159
these are not the same alien others for

866
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,080
instance that we contact through

867
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,039
protocols such as heist or ce5 that's

868
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,360
again where i see different distinct

869
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:16,159
patterns in the data and so for me it

870
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,990
but beyond that i'd have to say that

871
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,080
more recently i've come across

872
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,039
information that suggests that my labs

873
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,679
really is real it really does happen and

874
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,159
not just as some small rogue element of

875
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,519
the military

876
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:35,679
but that there actually is a cooperative

877
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:38,720
program being run by some elements of

878
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,320
our military and alien groups involving

879
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,640
both graves and reptilians and what have

880
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,039
you this really does seem to be going on

881
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,519
there's actually data-driven evidence i

882
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,600
think that supports this and part of

883
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,399
this is also the hybridization program

884
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,480
so while i used to look at that part as

885
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,320
kind of science fiction i've seen

886
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,159
evidence more recently suggesting that

887
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,799
this really is happening as shocking as

888
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,440
that is although again i caution people

889
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,159
not to group that in as all one activity

890
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,279
all one agenda of some overarching alien

891
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,919
agenda i think there's different groups

892
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,320
even the greys are likely represented by

893
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,240
multiple different groups

894
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,480
and may even be a kind of way that

895
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,799
certain alien beings maybe even

896
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,440
interdimensional beings manifest in our

897
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,919
reality they could be wearing the gray

898
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,399
facade as a kind of suit

899
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,159
or that may be just the way that they

900
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,039
manifest when they come into our dance

901
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,360
3d world from whatever interdimensional

902
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,480
locale they're coming from

903
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,320
and one final note to add on this

904
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,919
particular topic

905
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,840
is that i do believe the hybridization

906
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,480
program is absolutely real i do believe

907
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,960
there are hybrids walking amongst us and

908
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,559
i do believe the technology is

909
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,120
sophisticated enough that these people

910
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,120
would be indistinguishable from anyone

911
00:34:03,669 --> 00:33:59,440
else even if they were given a complex

912
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,679
biological exam by a doctor for instance

913
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,159
but nevertheless i've seen evidence that

914
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,879
for me makes clear that this is

915
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,639
definitely real and it's actually

916
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,839
happening right underneath our noses

917
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,480
but that said it's not necessarily

918
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,119
nefarious or malevolent i think like

919
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:21,040
many of these matters it's more complex

920
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:22,000
than that

921
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,520
and this is where i would differ from

922
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:26,240
for instance the work of dr david jacobs

923
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,030
and on that note we've come to the close

924
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,800
of another edition of the point of

925
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,200
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928
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929
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930
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,480
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